Episode #61 – Using Herbs For A Healthy Lifestyle

fattofit jing herbsWhat benefits do tonic herbs offer in the quest for healthy living, and how can you incorporate these natural herbs into your day to day routine? Dr George Lamoureux, founder of Jing Herbs, tells us how the fundamental principles of Chinese medicine can be extremely valuable not just in healing, but in well-being and general health. If you’re looking to lead a healthier lifestyle and incorporate better habits, listen to this week’s podcast and find out more.

A respected and skilled herbal specialist, Dr George trained under Taoist masters and embraces the principles of natural medicine which have endured for centuries. Jing Herbs offers personalized consultations and carefully prepared custom herbal packages – find out how these can help you boost your immune system, reduce your stress levels, balance your body’s natural resources and improve your approach to healthy living.

We discuss how natural herbs can form a new food group in your diet and become part of your routine – and how this can slowly discourage bad eating habits, promoting the well-being and the benefits you’re getting from the herbal journey. Herbal medicine can be of use to everyone, and should be used as part of a lifestyle that aims for longevity, happiness and good health. Find out more: listen in today!

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Melissa:          Welcome, George. Thanks so much for taking time to be on the program today.

George:         It’s good to be with you, Melissa. Thank you.

Melissa:          George, a lot of people listening may be pretty new to using herbs or even thinking about using herbs for their health. So I wonder if you could give us an overview as why you would want to use natural herbs to actually improve your health or improve a health condition you may have.

George:         Well, I think there’s a general misconception in the population that herbs are something that’s very foreign, like strange substances. But especially with the type of herbs that we deal with like ginger herbs which are tonic herbs, you actually want to consider them or you want to think of them as another food group. In fact, most of them are considered super foods and most of them were used in the culinary tradition of China for literally thousands of years.

So if you can get out of the mindset of thinking more in maybe the medicinal frame that herbs are only something that you take when you have a disease state or if you have a cold or flu. But think of herbs as another food group that you actually add to your diet. I think that it will be a lot easier for people to think that that’s more of a natural addition to their healthcare.

Certainly, doing tonic herbs is definitely more preventative or proactive. We’re definitely all about keeping you healthy and keeping your immune systems strong, so that you don’t basically succumb to any kind of pathogens or any kind of diseases that you may even be genetically predisposed to manifest things someday.

I think if you change the way you look at herbs and consider them foods rather than some other strange concoction, it would be a lot easier to accept that.

Melissa:          Got it. So like a daily regimen just like you would take a vitamin or any other product like that to boost what you’re not getting maybe from all the nutrients in your food, you would use the tonic herbs, as you call them, to do just that as well.

George:         Yes, exactly. That’s what we try to get across to people is that what you do is you start to incorporate these into your dietary choices.

A lot of times, people are having issues that they’re dealing with. A lot of people have poor dietary habits. They have poor lifestyle choices. What we find is once they start adding herbs into their programs, a lot of the bad habits or the bad decisions or the bad lifestyle choices actually start to fall away.

So when you start adding good things into your life, the things that are not so good, sort of fall by the wayside.

Melissa:          Got it. People may be rushing to your store faster than – we may have a different spin on it like thinking they can eat McDonald’s hamburgers forever and just take some tonic herbs and kind of balance it out. But I think there’s too much of a differential between the pluses and minuses there.

George:         What you would do is if you are a person who does do the fast food, which is not really food in the sense of a word, once you start incorporating herbs and you start feeling a different kind of vibration from the foods that you’re eating, you won’t want and have those foods that have a low vibration. You’re going to want to keep going in a good direction.

Melissa:          Yes, I think that’s quite true because one of the things I found is – as I said, I was a pretty much a newbie to using any kind of natural herbs. My performance doctor, who helped me, makes so much progress over the last year and a half, said, “You have to get over that because I’m going to have you use some things like berberine to help you regulate blood sugar.

He said if you just go along with me on this for a few months, you’ll see some results. It will be nothing that’s going to upset the rest of your body healing. He was really right. I mean, all the things that we used along those lines were really pretty much reversed in slim resistance for me, which I thought was a big step.

A lot of people aren’t able to do it. They have so much damage. No question. I have plenty of damage to my body’s internal systems. But there’s no question that incorporating that on a daily basis and getting the dose to try getting that something, everybody has to deal with their own system and their own condition. But definitely, I can tell you, it didn’t reverse before I started adding some of those things in. it became a really important part and it was a daily regimen of doing that.

George:         I’m really glad to hear that he mentioned a couple of months or a few months. One of the things that we try to do is we don’t want to give people unrealistic expectations of what herbs you’re going to do because they are a lot gentler than drugs. They take time to basically reverse things in the body that have gone wrong for sometimes a very long time…

Melissa:          Decade.

George:         No, exactly. So you have to realistically give them time to do their thing but as you experience and most people experience, who have the patience to do that, it really does happen. You will see the results.

Melissa:          Yes and you can get some powerful results as you progress, as you recover from some of the problems you’re having as you add in – like you’re talking about adding more things that support whatever the weaknesses in your system that you’re trying to recover from. That’s what I’ve done slowly over time.

But for me, I thought it was fast actually because I didn’t think I’d be able to recover from insulin resistance and all the damage done but I found that information, plus blood sugar control plus a whole bunch of other things over the course of say three to six months, I would say for me.

To me, that was fast. To other people, that maybe slow because they’re thinking, “Hey, I’ll just take this today and by tomorrow I’ll be fine.” Again, the effect is pretty lasting and also, as I say, things continue to improve, inflammation and things like that. In the blood panels that I look at every six months or so or sometimes every quarter, you just continue to see those improve and it gives you real validation in the back of the mind that this is in fact working.

George:         The amazing thing about that, the amazing thing about herbs as opposed to drugs, for instance, herbs tend to go to the root of the problem. They don’t cover up symptoms. They actually have a correcting energy to them. When you’re talking about the insulin resistance, they actually help the pancreas do its job again so that it becomes sensitive.

A lot of times, people will take drugs to treat the condition when in fact, what does is it will mask the symptoms so they won’t feel it as much but it doesn’t really address the underlying imbalance that’s happening in the body. It doesn’t really correct it. It just allows you to live with it.

Melissa:          Yes and there’s something really important. I’ve talked about it before in the podcast. I always talk about it again because a lot of people who may not have heard the earlier episodes need to hear it. One of the things that was the most dramatic change for me and it just had to do with diet change and that was I had developed a fatty liver condition from disregulation of all the body’s main systems.

By just changing what I was eating and also adding in some of these herbs, within almost 30 days, that condition was reversed. The blood panels were back into the green zone. What was next for me was medication to, as you say, mask that problem. What the conventional medical doctor was saying is, “Well, we just put you on this medication for this and you just go along as you are.” I said, “Go along as I am? I think my liver has stopped working.”

George:         Really? Does that sound like a plan?

Melissa:          Yes. They always want to manage your expectations but the end result of that is you die. Maybe you don’t die today but it’s sort of like the frog being thrown in boiling water. You’re being medicated so that you don’t realize you’re slowly closing the door. Whereas, the alternative that I chose – like I said, I thought it would be months and months or years to reverse that, and it happened quite quickly. That condition was I’ve been trying to reverse it for over a year on my own just trying things and not getting any success.

So to me, that was staggering. That was a staggering result to see the blood panel come back. I was like, “Oh you don’t have that problem anymore. All done. “All solved. I see that drug being promoted now. The drug companies are coming out not to get too far, but they are coming out and they’re saying, “We have to develop this drug because so many people are having this issue. Even kids are having this issue.”

I wanted to just put the billboard up everywhere saying, “I have the solution to this, and here’s what it is.” Particularly for somebody that have a condition for, let’s say, a good two years in my case. So it wasn’t reversing through things. I was doing conventionally through convention medicine. But by changing the food and again, helping to reduce inflammation and repair the system, the thing went away.

Like you said, the herbs helped the liver and everything else. Take a rest. Take a break not be so inflamed. I’m pretty well solved on it.

George:         Good.

Melissa:          But let me get back to a question that a lot of people will have. I think it’s good that you pointed that out because as we say, as you said, too, that the time frame in curing some of these things or healing some of these things, maybe not a cure but a healing, should be looked at as months or maybe a year to two. But as you say, if you build up your regimen, you’re building your strength of your health over time.

But the big question people ask me when I start to get talking on a subject about what I’ve done is how do they know? In fact some people are obsessed by how do they know they’re getting really quality product? As we know, there’s a ton of stuff online. In the supplement world, it occurs, too. There was all this junk and it has every kind of filler and who knows what sand and every kind of thing in it.

I know when you get to reading it and defining those terms, which most people are taught not to do really by the marketing, just get this and you’re set. Here’s what it’s going to do for you. I think it was a few years back when there was so much of a scandal about very harmful metals and things being contained and a lot of supplements. Supplement companies were doing very dicey things. Many of them still are.

I get sent cases of stuff I wouldn’t even touch with a 10-foot pole just to try to get me to talk about them. I’m like, “Sorry guys. This is coming back to you CODs.” What’s a good way to know or what’s a good way to find out how to make sure you’re getting really high quality, top quality products?

George:         Well, there’s definitely a good idea to be an informed consumer. There’s no doubt about that. Certainly, in any industry, there are going to be people who are going to take shortcuts in order to line their pockets. But my advice to anyone who is considering going on an herbal program or starting to take herbs that you actually build a relationship with the company or the person that you’re going to be taking the herbs from.

I can’t speak for other companies but just to give you an idea of what we do to ensure the quality of our herbs, I go to China every year. I go to the farms. I go to inspect how the herbs are being grown. I go to our processing facility. That’s an amazing stellar environment if you ever wanted to see one.

We know that from the farms to the finished product that we see that chain. We observe that chain, and the herbs are also tested for everything that we possibly can test for. We do test for pesticides. We test for heavy metals. We test for fungus, bacteria. We get the certificates of analysis and then when the herbs come here, we also will take the certificate of analysis.

We will take a sample of the herb and we will send it to an independent lab here to make sure that the results that we get here are comparable to the results that we’re getting on the certificate of analysis. We don’t do that for every single batch but we do do it occasionally just to make sure that there’s a consistency in the product that we’re getting.

Whatever company that you’re dealing with, they should have some kind of history of observing how their herbs are produced whether from those kinds of things. They should have the certificates of analysis available.

Melissa:          Got it, yes. Sounds good to me. I particularly like the idea that you test the things after they get to you to make sure actually what left China and got to you was the same product.

George:         Yes, now exactly.

Melissa:          That’s pretty cool because that’s what I would be doing if I was doing it myself. I’d say, “I want to make sure that somewhere along the line, the package didn’t get switch and what was tested there came over here or something else.

George:         One of the things also, again, Melissa that I do want to point out and a lot of people – for instance with heavy metal issue. A lot of people are concerned with heavy metal residue. The sad fact is that we have pretty much polluted our planet globally.

Melissa:          Right, it’s everywhere.

George:         We’ve done a really good job of doing this. Some of the farms that I go to in China are in some of the most remote and pristine areas of the country. But I assure you even though they could be even considered organic or wild crafted, I assure you, if you do soil testing, you’re going to find heavy metal residue in the soil because it’s a global issue.

So it’s very difficult for us to have no heavy metal but the government basically sets standards and said you cannot have this amount. Thank goodness, we fall well below that. People can’t expect to get a product that is absolutely free of those traces because I don’t think it really exist any longer even for organic.

Melissa:          Sadly, I think you’re right. I think no matter how far up the mountains you go and harvest these things with your sherpas, it’s hard to get completely pure or pristine in that way. You’re going to have to accept a certain amount. It’s just you want to make sure you’re not loading yourself up. I’m just still going through a de-leading process myself. I found that I had quite a lot of lead in my system and we’re trying to get the led out literally.

It’s taking a while because it’s a slow process. I just want to make sure when I’m taking herbs that I’m not ingesting any more stuff that I’m trying to get rid of, not to mention the stuff that was in my mouth a few years ago that I had to get rid off within my teeth.

Now, there’s a type of herbs that are called adaptogenic herbs. I’ve never been exactly sure what that term means. Can you talk about what that means?

George:         Well, actually most of the tonic herbs that we’re talking about here today, most of the herbs that we deal with are actually considered adaptogens at the same time. Basically, what adaptogens do in the body and this is not something I came up with. This is actually sort of a scientific definition of – adaptogens basically they combat the negative effects of stress. They improve the resistance in the body thereby; they’ll be improving your health and your wellbeing.

They help you live with greater mental and physical endurance and vitality and they sort of mitigate the accumulation of stressors in the body. What are the other things they do is they’re known to normalize the HPA access, the hypothalamic pituitary adrenal access. They tend to mediate what is known as allostatic load.

Whenever you have a stressful situation, there’s a certain burden that’s placed on the body to bring itself back into homeostasis. That burden is often called the allostatic load. What are the things that adaptogens are known for is that they actually help mediate that allostatic load or negate it and bring the body back into its homeostasis again. That is primarily what adaptogens do.

Melissa:          Got it. So those would be obviously very valuable to people who are trying to do just that, reduce their stress from day to day living. Basically, if you live in the city or have any commute and traffic or anyone who travels a lot for jetlag and things like that.

George:         Exactly. Certainly, we have to understand that stress is not always a bad thing. There are a lot of times that stressors actually help us to excel and really perform. But what you don’t want to happen is you don’t want the negative effects of stress to accumulate and not be addressed.

There have been a lot of studies. As a matter of fact, people who have had stress in their early childhood years – there are a lot of studies that have shown that their stress meter is set at different level. They will be much more susceptible to stressful situations than people who have not had stress in their early childhood.

So everyone sort of reacts to stress in a different way because it has to do with how your interpretation of that stressful situation is and how it really impacts you on a very personal level, so not everybody has that same level.

Melissa:          Got it. So it’s like it almost imprints on you when you’re young, and then the body remembers that time of stress and puts you back into it either more often or less often depending on what happened to you back then.

George:         Yes, exactly. Simply the thought of it and that’s a lot of times when we’re dealing with people especially people who worry a lot, people who spend a lot of energy on situations that are not actually threats to them but they are being constructed in your minds as stress. That’s the kind of stress that doesn’t turn off because that’s always something you’re creating yourself. It’s something that’s with you all the time.

So a lot of times, we have to work with people and give them herbs that are going to short circuit that feedback loop that they’re always going through, and that’s keeping the adrenals pumping adrenaline into their body and cortisol and those kinds of things. You want to interrupt that cascade and stop it from happening so that they can calm down.

Melissa:          Got it, yes. I know that feeling particularly as it gets toward the end of the day. I’m trying to manage my own stress and I use the heart rate variability to help me do that and also just everything I can possibly use that’s non drug related anyway to get that end of day release and relaxation so that I can get a really deep and restful restorative sleep.

It’s taking a while again to get that going but I’ve made big leaps and bounce steps. Using Ts, I found every helpful – you know, the Valerian Ts and some of those Ts, on a gentle basis.

I think for people that may not have tried some of those, introduce them slowly. But you can certainly get some great results from using those, which lead me to sort of a question about how someone who wanted to get started with using tonic herbs. What would you recommend they have a little cheat sheet or something if they came to this that you or a tonic herb purveyor?.

George:         You know, we’ve actually tried to make that easy for people. You can go to JingHerbs.com and right on our website, right at the top, we have the JingHerb optimum health analysis. So what you want to do is you want to get some type of assessment on where you are. That health analysis – and it’s for free, by the way – you answer a set of questions, and it’s going to give you a readout when you finish doing the questions.

It’s going to give you a readout of where you are on a scale of – I should probably preface that. We deal with a system of herbalism that is based on what’s called three treasures. Now, the three treasures are jing, chi, chen. Now, the jing is like your life force, your vitality, your vim and vigor. It’s the kind of energy that is basically passed on to you by your parents.

Then the qi is basically measuring your energy on a day to day basis. That primarily has to do more with the digestive system and the lungs. The transformation of food into energy and the transformation of air into energy are basically what’s happening physiologically in the body. There are questions about that.

Then the third treasure is the chen. That’s the spirit and it’s a little bit more maybe esoteric but if you have a really good jing energy and you have a good qi, then it’s sort of like an outgrowth. You’re going to have a really good spirit. You’re going to have the kind of spirit that when people look in our eyes, they can see that spark, that fire. That’s the spirit.

This health analysis will measure those. It will give you a readout and it will give a suggestion on where you can start. Now, besides that, if you’re a little bit confused and you need a little bit more guidance, then you can actually – there’s a box there, you can schedule a 15 minute consultation with us. That’s also free, and we’ll go over that with you and explain it and then guide you on where you should begin.

Melissa:          Cool. Very cool, yes. I’m going to put a link in the show notes so that people can go to that free. Actually, I have the card in front of me that shows me that that I think I got in the conference back in September. It shows the little test. It’s pretty cool. It gives a little read out there of what it looks like when you do the self-test. I think that would be super helpful to people because they can play around with that.

Then, like you said contact you for an actual chit chat about it. Then now, when you work with somebody, do you actually have to meet them to come up with a plan for them or do you work with them online to come up with a plan of tonic herbs? How does it go?

George:         It depends on what kind of condition we’re talking about. There are times when it would certainly be beneficial to actually have the person standing in front of you because there are differential diagnoses that you go through. But for the most part, we’re talking about doing tonic programs. We’re not talking about dealing so much with disease states as maybe disharmonies that can be easily transformed or easily approached by taking some of these herbal formulas. They can be resolved.

So when we get on the phone, we basically take a little bit of history like when you go to your physician and he asks you questions about your lifestyle and your eating habits, your exercise program, your diet, and all of those things. We try to get a pretty good picture of where you are, and then we come up with specific recommendations. Certainly, it has to do with your constitution, your family history, all of those things. We take that all into consideration. We come up with specific recommendations to get you started.

Melissa:          Got it. It sounds great. I know that a lot of people in the sports performance world – I’m not talking about professional sports – but just the marathoners, the triathletes, and so forth are very interested in using these tonic herbs. I know my friend, Ben Winfield, talks about it quite a bit, how he uses them to help him recover from racing or from competing and also to get ready for competing to either, like you said, build up his strength and endurance or to recover from expending our strength in a big race.

George:         Yes. As a matter of fact, we actually put together to make it even easier, we’ve also put together kits.

Melissa:          I was just going to ask you.

George:         We have an athlete’s kit and then we have a super athlete’s kit. Those kits are put together to address exactly what you’re talking about. Some of the formulas in that kit would actually prepare you and then help you have stamina and endurance during the athletic event. Then there are other formulas in there for the recovery aspect to help you keep in good condition and recover very quickly.

So depending on whether you’re like a weekend athlete or you’re an elite athlete, that will probably determine which of those kits that you would choose.

We try to take the guess work out of it because I know that a lot of people when they come to herbs, they really have so much confusion. A lot of people have fear. I can understand that.

We try to make this very simple and straightforward. Like for instance, we have the busy moms’ anti-stress kit. I’m sure a lot of women can certainly identify with that.

Melissa:          Yes. I was just going to ask you to give a little bit more elaboration on the kits because I imagine, too, you have the mental performance kit and things along those lines as well,

George:         Exactly.

Melissa:          I think Dave Asprey they’ve taken the entire mental performance kit three or four times a day.

George:         I’m sure he has. For instance, with busy moms’ anti-stress kit, basically there are three formulas in there. The first formula is a formula called Bupleurum Dragon Bone. That’s a very strange sounding formula, I know.

Melissa:          Right. Do busy moms want to be taking Dragon Bones?

George:         That’s like a throwback to the ancient Chinese. This is basically just a mineral that’s in there. But Bupleurum Dragon Bone is one of the formulas that I was talking about when you have that stress cascade that doesn’t turn off and you keep getting the adrenaline pumped into the system, and it’s keeping you on a fight or flight edge all the time.

One of the things that that formula does it that it will stop that negative feedback. It will stop the adrenals from signaling all the other hormones to be dumped into the system. It’s very calming and centering. Then the second formula is ginseng and long gun, which is basically what we call a qi and a blood tonic.

It’s great for giving you good energy, for building your blood. Certainly, for a lot of women, blood is definitely an issue. We have to have good blood not only to nourish the skin and hair and nails and all of those things to make as far as the beauty aspect goes, but you also lose blood. That’s an issue that needs to be addressed.

Then, the third part of that is a big box called the Goddess Pack. That, in and of itself, is a whole herbal program but it’s about hair, skin, and nails balancing hormones and relieving stress. So there are three elements in that one program with the anti-stress.

Melissa:          As I’ve learned a lot in the last year and a half or so but the balancing your hormones correctly and your body and getting them functioning properly and also reducing stress, those are the two magic bullets. I think the third magic bullet would be improved sleep. If you can get those things going – and as I say, in some people, it’s going to be a longer struggle than in others but those are the big ones.

Those are the ones that if you can get those all working at least 80 percent, you’re going to be way ahead of things as far as your health goes. Even if you have existing conditions and serious conditions, like I said, not to mention, I have osteoarthritis just everywhere. But there’s no question that doing the things I’ve done and doing things like eat and exercise and that has completely strengthened and eliminated all the pain that I have there.

Again, by using these different more natural programs, it’s really quite helpful to me. That’s the other thing, I think people need to remember about the herbs is that they’re a natural substance that the body recognizes. It’s the stuff that comes from sometimes McDonald’s, not all the time, but sometimes. The stuff that sometimes that comes in packages and things from the store contains a lot of elements the body doesn’t recognize and doesn’t know what to do with.

That’s what creates inflammation in your body, which eventually leads to the breakdown of your health. If you can begin to eliminate that, again, you can make great leaps forward in improving your health. That’s something that a lot of people think, “Oh well, there’s poison mushrooms out there, and there’s poison ivy. You don’t want to be taking that.” Well, that’s why you go to consultant like yourself because there’s someone who studied the history.

I think, as you say, the Chinese culture developed these things over centuries and used them before the invention of drugs. They used them quite successfully. They heal of kinds of things if you think back to the time that they were living in and how they used this to help them improve things when they didn’t have instant remedies or instant cover-ups or whatever the symptom was.

George:         What I’m glad you mentioned – one of the things you mentioned was like the constituents. In your first question, you said why would someone want to start using herbs in their choices? Herbs contain constituents that you do not get from any other source whatsoever. You don’t get it from your foods. You don’t get it from your supplements. There are specific ingredients in herbs that are really unique to that herb and you won’t find it anywhere else.

Because of the amazing things that these constituents do in the body, that’s another good reason why you would want to start taking herbs. Just take for instance, the herb astragalus which is called huang qi in Chinese – one of the active ingredients is called astragalus idefor. Modern science has done a lot of research on this one out of literally – there has to be at least 50 different components.

Astragalus idefor is known to keep the telomeres at the end of the DNA strands long.

Melissa:          I’m very interested in lengthening my telomeres I’ll tell you: you got on a good subject.

George:         Exactly. That has a direct effect on health and longevity that has a direct effect on how soon the cells die in the body. So that astragalus idefor is not found anywhere else but in this herb. So they’re absolutely magical in what they do.

Melissa:          Yes. I know that there’s a huge in the biohacking community of which I’m an out wire. I’m interested in what those guys are up to everywhere. There’s a huge group of people that are just very interested in seeing; it’s almost a competition I think between different groups. It’s seeing what they can do in their health regimen to link in the telomeres to make a change in the telomeres.

They’re doing their blood panels or whatever the thing is to see so they can compare in six month blocks what’s happening with them. There’s a lot of talk, as I say, in the bio-hacking community about that, I’m sort of a peripheral member of that community. But I know that all the medical doctors that I talked to are very interested in this because they see it as the sort of a resolution to creating longevity and creating health and longevity not just…

George:         Exactly.

Melissa:          Everybody wants to live a long time, but they want to live it in good health. They don’t want to live it in poor health.

George:         That’s key. Absolutely.

Melissa:          This is, from what I understand, is one of the big focus areas because if you can get those telomeres to link in or get them to change from their shortened area they might be a now, you’re on the path thereto great health going forward in time. That’s a big step for a lot of people.

George:         Exactly, yes. Even in the field – are you familiar with epi-genetics?

Melissa:          Yes. I’m fascinated by that. Turning things on, turning things off. To me, that’s the key to – what fascinated me about that when I first started reading about it a short while ago is that you don’t need modern medicine to do this. We have. Everybody has in their body and then in the natural world, they have the tools that they can use to turn on and turn off different genes that they may or may not have. That’s just fascinating to me.

The fascinating thing is if you have something that’s maybe not good because I’ve done my genetics investigation to find out what’s going on there. You may have something that’s a warning thing that may get turned on and may not get turned on. But you can work on doing everything you can to make sure that that bad gene doesn’t come up.

To me, again, that’s the cure to disease down the road by preventing disease – you’re sort of fore-running it. You’re preventing the disease from actually happening by not letting that turned on or not giving the conditions which would cause it to turn on. It’s almost like preventing a flower from growing or a weed. You don’t want that weed to grow so you’re just going to not give it the water and the nutrients to grow. To me, that’s just fascinating.

George:         There’s a substance in the body called AMPK. Have you ever heard of that?

Melissa:          Yes. I’ve heard about it.

George:         It’s like the master regulating switch of these genes. If you have a predisposition for a certain disease state to manifest down the line, but if you strengthen this AMPK in the body and there’s actually an herb called gynostemma, which in studies has been shown to actually strengthen the function of AMPK in the body. So a lot of these gene expressions don’t happen.

Melissa:          Got it. That’s the magic bullet for sure because if you can prevent those things from happening, you’re good down the road for longevity and health. As I say, that’s the real key and I think people are just beginning to realize now or it’s becoming more known because of the internet and because so many of these bio-hackers are publishing what they’re doing and making known the results that they’re doing.

Then conventional medicine is kind of dovetailing in. It’s riding the biohackers [0:43:25] and saying, “Wow, this is interesting. This is interesting.” But to me, what’s so fascinating is, as I say, we have the tools available to us. They are here for free. We don’t need to invent them or manufacture them.

We just need to figure out exactly how to move the pieces on the chessboard to make the whole thing work. But we’re getting there really fast. I think that’s really exciting and also very optimistic for people who have serious diseases, genetic diseases that have been turned on earlier in their life or their childhood or when they were born or whatever that they might be able to reverse, recover, or get better from some of those. It must be super exciting.

George:         Yes, I know exactly. One of the things I certainly wanted to stress is that it doesn’t matter where you are in your life. If you think that you’re a hopeless case, you really have to get that out of your mind because one of the reasons why I am doing what I’m doing today is because I certainly needed to change things in my life. I was in a pretty bad state.

Certainly, the reason why I’m doing herbs is because that’s what I used to actually turn myself around. So it doesn’t matter what stage of life you’re in, these herbs will be beneficial for you no matter when you start.

Melissa:          Yes. I’m proof about it as well. As I say, I had some serious health issues just a short time ago and the progress made through using those. I haven’t even been to see you yet, George. So wait until I get some of those packs going on because to zip it down the road, I’ll be improving my snowboarding. I know that for sure.

Yes, I think that’s a key thing is people should not – of course, that’s the opposite view that you get from a traditional medical practitioner. Like I said before, don’t worry about it. But when you go home and think about it, it’s like, “What do you need to worry about?” I’m not getting better. I’m just getting worse and covering it up.

Whereas this way, we’re actually improving your health and making it better. As you say, it isn’t an instant fix, but it’s not going to hurt you and it’s only going to help your body react to its own systems to get you going. Like I say, it’s pretty impressive to take inflammation from where mine was like 16.9. It wasn’t even measurable on the blood panel. It was so up there. I’m almost at 0 now. I’m just a hair over zero.

That took about a year to do. Again, to me, that was fast because I thought that would come down to somewhere like just 16.9. But that just shows you what you can do by not using medications basically but by using natural substances and clean food or clean diet.

George:         Food is key.

Melissa:          Food is definitely medicine. All right, George. We’re almost out of time. Where can people find you online? We’re going to put links to everything you talked about today as well and your main site. Where can people get in touch with you if they want to find out more about using tonic herbs?

George:         Okay. Well, the website is JingHerbs.com. We also have a toll free number, which is 877-679-5464. They can get to contact with us anytime they like.

Melissa:          Great, great. As I said, we’re going to put links in the show notes to the self test, which is on one of your pages there at your website and also the packs that we talked about so people can go to the site and find those. I’ve loved to get you back on, George, after I come and visit you.

George:         It will be my pleasure.

Melissa:          We’ll talk about what packs I’ve been demoing for the next few months and see how the blood panel results come out.

George:         All right, Melissa.

Melissa:          Okay, great. All right.


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