Episode #85 – Dr. Lauren Noel On Bio-Identical Hormones, Balancing Your Work And Home Life And More

Dr Lauren Noel









How does hormone replacement therapy affect your health, and what is the difference between natural and synthetic hormones? The idea of any kind of HRT can be scary – but there are a lot of ways that they can work to balance your body and improve your health.

Dr. Lo is with us this week to discuss the importance of hormone balance in successful weight loss and improved health. We take a look at bio-identical hormones, how they match your personal biology and how the right balance can be the key to unlocking good health. Dr. Lo – or Dr. Lauren Noel – is a naturopathic practitioner and health advocate who owns Shine Natural Medicine.

How does stress affect your health and fitness? We also take a good look at the effects of sleep deprivation and stress on the body, and talk about setting up the best morning routine to get your day started – and kickstart your body, too. Whether you walk, meditate or do some yoga, a light morning activity gets your body working: shut it down again at night with a good sleep routine. Your medication could also be affecting your health, so look at ways to reduce your reliance on these when possible.

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Melissa: Welcome Dr. Noel, thanks so much for taking time to be in our program today.

Dr. Lauren Noel: Great, I’m great to be here. Thanks for having me.

Melissa: I want to get you on for quite a while and one of the big reasons why I want to have you on was the topic that comes up quite a bit these days and its hormone replacement therapy. And I know that’s one of your areas of specialty. And so I can kind of give us an update on where that’s at this point in time and how and why people should think about it.

Dr. Lauren Will: For sure, it’s one of my favorite things that I use with patients because I find that it really makes a remarkable difference in symptoms and also in many of the things we’ll talk about and its one those topics that’s really confusing for people and they hear all kinds of scary information and there’s a lot of fear around using hormones. And so a lot of what I do with patients is a lot of kind of reeducating things and just having patients unlearn some things that they’ve been taught before and also just be able to make some critical thinking you know, kinds of choices because you know, because like for example hormones, at least just like conventional types of hormones or synthetic hormones all say, there’s a lot of scary things about them.

Hormones in general are not the same so someone going on hormone replacement therapy, its make difference if they’re using synthetic versus, you know, naturally drive, you’re bio identical, so going into those different details makes a big difference. We can dive in to that further but I think people knowing where the hormones are coming from is the first thing of knowing if it’s going to be safe or if it’s going to be dangerous. And then making sure that they’re working with someone who’s actually monitoring it and making sure that the levels are imbalanced because you know everything in medicine is kind of like the goldilocks thing, you don’t want it too high, too low, you wanted just right. Hormones definitely is one of those things that would fall in that as well. So having it done properly is really important because when it’s really done in properly, there’s really amazing benefits of hormones.

Melissa: So explain a little bit further on the bio-identical that’s always intriguing to me is to what that actually means.

Dr. Lauren Noel: Well yeah, well bio identical is referring to what’s identical to your biology. So if you were to look under a microscope at bio identical progesterone, and Melissa’s progesterone, it would look exactly the same. So the progesterone you take that’s bio identical, the body knows how to use that in the same way that it would use its own progesterone. So it’s literally like a key in a lock and it’s a perfect fit, it’s the exact same thing. And that’s very important for the body whereas if you take something like a progestin, which a synthetic type sort of like a progesterone, and if you look like the chemical structure of progestin versus progesterone, they look pretty different actually. The body doesn’t really exactly know how to use that. The key may fit in the lock but it’s not going to be a perfect fit. And because that’s the case, there’s going to be some downstream effects and potential dangers that come along with that.  So where they come from in different places in the way that they’re broken down is quite different.

Melissa: So the kind of therapies you’re using are the bio identical?

Dr. Lauren Noel: Only bio identical. I’ve never prescribed a non-bio identical hormone ever. I just don’t think that it’s safe, I don’t think it’s smart. I think it’s just poor medicine to do that. And you know as a naturopathic doctor, which is my training, it’s always about its used as, the least invasive first, you know. So I always on things like diet, exercise, sleep, stress management, all that kind of stuff. I’m just jumping to “let’s put you on hormones.” We’ll do some testing, get to the root of where the imbalances are and prescribe the hormones as needed. And also have a conversation with the patient on it, with the pros and cons, and all that kind of stuff and make sure they’re very comfortable with that and they’re educated about it. And yeah, I mean using bio identical form is very safe. I think that it actually prevents a lot of problems down the line.

Melissa: Yeah now when you work with your patients, contrary to a lot of people don’t know the hormone imbalance and getting them balanced and knowing where you work currently is probably one of the first big steps, in addition to diet and looking at bio markers and things like that, but would you say that’s a super important step for a lot people coz I know for myself I found things were wildly out of control in various areas and that it made a big difference in the whole package. In other words, getting things kind of organized and kind of lined up to correct to themselves or with the help needed.

Dr. Lauren Noel: Totally, you can’t just go based on symptoms. I mean, people think “Oh if I have hot flushes, I need estrogen.” I mean hot flushes can come along with low progesterone. It can be from you know, disruptions in blood sugar, it can be from chronic viral infections. You can get hot flushes from a lot of different things. Stress and dues. Yes it can come along with estrogen but it’s not always from that. Just doing it based on symptoms is not smart. I always test hormones. And it’s funny because I lot of patients will say “well I went to my doctor and they said to come back when I’m in a menopausal to get my hormones checked. And it’s like what? Alright, you know, why not check them when you’re in your 20s or 30s and see where your baseline is. See, maybe if things are a little out of optimal range, you don’t have to be, you know, having crazy hot flushes, night sweats, and vaginal ginas, and no periods anymore, in order to check your hormones. That’s when its gone too far. I think it’s very smart to check them in your 20s and see where things are at. So, yeah testing is really important and in looking at the balance of all the different hormones coz hormones are like a big, it’s like a big web. You know if you tog on one side, it’s going to affect the whole thing. It’s this one big beautiful constellation and its all connected. So testing is really key. And also how your body breaks down your hormones is important too. It’s not about just estrogen. How about the different ratios of estrogen? What about the different kinds of estrogen? So yes getting some more data is really key.

Melissa: Yeah I think that’s a really good point that you make about testing when you’re younger because that’s a big misconception that a lot of people including myself had is “Oh you know, you don’t need to worry about that.” Just like, you know, they said they’re conventional medical doctors saying until you know you’re way down the road from here. Let’s put it that way. I was going to say older or when you’re old and gone by. But I think a lot of people that I’ve talked to and met in events launching that you have in your practice, you know, they can be younger in their late 20s, 30s or even younger than that but thru doing something wrong with either exercise or to throw themselves wildly out of whack and they can understand where they can’t make themselves better, you know, why they keep having high levels of information and things like that. And to me, it was a whole interesting journey to figure out how these things can be corrected and how sometimes it was really not that big a deal. I mean, like you said, the testing. Talk a little about the kind of test that you do to book at somebody that comes to you having, maybe not, having a little stress issue or not sleeping issue or something kind of everyday, everyday flavor. Yeah but how you kind of dig into what might be the root cause as you said earlier of their problem.

Dr. Lauren Noel: Yes, so there’s different ways to check hormones, There’s saliva testing, there’s urine testing, there’s blood testing. I think they all have their value. And I think it depends on the patient both either cost or if whether they can afford. And also just the individuals, the case that the patients coming in with. In general, I would say if a woman, let’s say in her 20s or 30s and she’s having fairly regular cycles and let’s say she’s under a lot of stress, for example, and maybe there’s energy issues – they can’t sleep, and/or if there’s mood issues, then I think, doing an adrenal stress index and then check their cortisol throughout the day is really important. With that, that’s in a saliva test. Also checking sex hormones is really important.

Typically, we’ll do that on day 21 of a woman’s cycle. That’s when the progesterone tends to peak and you can see that snapshot of how that you know peak in the second half of the cycle looks. And so, that’s a very viable test that looks at your cortisol curve throughout the day which normally cortisols should be nice and high in the morning and as the day goes on, it drops, and then it slows at night and that’s when you can go to sleep. That’s your security in rhythm. And if there’s disruptions there, that can absolutely affect hormones. So it’s nice to see both of them, to see how they tend to you know affect each other. Also with that test, it will check your estrogen, as well as your progesterone, and your DHZA. That’s your an adrenal hormone that also affects your testosterone levels, will also check testosterone levels and might tend down to tone in. having that full picture is really, really helpful to see why you’re not sleeping, why you’re energy is you know low, why you can’t lose weight, why you have difficult periods, why your breasts feel big and swollen and tender before your period. All of that can give me more information about why you know symptoms can be there.  That’s with the saliva. You can also do blood testing around day 21 of the cycle too. And again, that’s if they’re having regular menstrual cycles. If a woman’s having crazy, sporadic all over the place cycles, either really short cycles like maybe having a period every 21 days or maybe going 40 or 50 days without a period,  that’s when it gets a little bit tricky and it’s hard to check where that you know, where that peak might be for progesterone. That’s where we’re doing the saliva test throughout the whole month is really helpful.

You can check your saliva about every 3 days and then we can get a whole curve to see how your hormones changed throughout the month. And getting an idea, are you ovulating, or maybe your body isn’t ovulating right now, we can get a good idea about that too. And there’s saliva testing, I’m sorry, urine testing. Urine testing can be helpful to see how well your body is breaking down your hormones. And how well, your liver for example, is your main filter for your hormones, how well your liver is breaking down hormones and that’s really helpful too. Like let’s say, a patients on bio identical hormones and they’re not feeling great, we could say maybe you’re not breaking down ideally we can do the urine test and see how your body is processing all of those. So it’s complicated right? There’s lot of ways to check but, and then also too let’s say, a patient is then already taking bio identical hormones, then from that point on you don’t want to do the saliva test, because the saliva test will be, will be very, very high coz it will be more concentrated in the saliva that it will throw up those results. So once you’re already on hormones, you want to do blood or urine to check your levels at that point.

Melissa: Got it. And then what are some other tools you use with people that come to you that have issues such as let’s say we’ve rule out the hormones and you’ve felt it’s under control, what’s your sort of tool kit for addressing maybe sleep issues, or stress issues that’s always a big one, i love to hear what people use to fight stress or also just daily life that’s overwhelming basically, which is driving on the freeway for me.

Dr. Lauren Noel: Right. Oh man, totally, well, i think stress is at the root of all of it. I really do, I mean it’s pretty rare occupation where their stress level is at the main where stress level is less than a 5 out of 10. And so most of us are pretty stressed out. So that’s, that is huge. And I always keep that as the central focus of so much of what I’m doing, even if for treating big things like gut infection or crazy hormone imbalances or viral infections, and even like you know the bigger things that we’re treating, I always like take it back to how’s your stress, how you’re managing your stress. So, first thing is, I always encourage my patients to have a routine. Something every morning the way that they’re starting their day for them and not as to responding to the rest of the world. So like not ruining your day by looking at your email or you know rolling over in bed looking at your Facebook, your twitter, your Instagram or snapshot or any of these other apps. You’re waiting up with some sort of mindfulness, if it’s walking. Some people hate meditating, pray, go for a walk every morning, read a little bit every morning.

You know meditate every morning. Something you’re starting your day for you and you get that perspective of your day and really what it’s all about coz it’s easy to go into reaction mode and continually you know being at effect of the rest of the world and what’s coming at you. So that’s first and foremost super important. Like you can usually tell from the first visit by how stress the patient is if they have a morning routine. Or you just say “How your day start?” So that’s key. And then taking breaks and setting us boundaries to take breaks throughout the day. For myself, I was like crazy go, go, go all day long and I would work thru my lunch sometimes or have lunch meetings or sometimes if a patient we couldn’t squeeze them in, I would do it during my lunch. And now I do not do that anymore. I don’t care if I seem mean, I’m pressing the no button, I’m going to walk every day at my lunch now. I close my computer and I walk for an hour and I swear, I’m such a better doctor now. And I’m doing that for myself. You know, so taking those breaks you can do it an hour but everyone should at least be taking those breaks to eat because if you’re not, you’re working against your body’s, your biology, you’re meant to take those breaks, we’re not really meant to working throughout the entire day and not taking those breaks. So it’s important in setting those boundaries and if your bosses is not letting you do that, say “Hey I need to take my lunch, you know, I need to take a break, it’s going to make me a better employee, better at the job.” So it’s really important.

And then, at the end of the day, doing something to unwind, I think having 3 little check ins throughout the day where in the morning time you had your routine, during the day you have some sort of break and at the end of the day, you unwind in whatever way works for you. For me, I start to implement weekly massages, and that’s just like major medicine for my soul. You know have other patients go for a walk at the end of the day or just zone out and play games with their family or do something where you’re disconnected from everything that’s there. You know from I mean, a lot of it is from social media stuff from emails, it’s like it’s crazy, it’s how, it’s like its completely taking over our lives right? So for sure, so disconnecting from that and connecting with real people. And it’s just we’re designed, we’re tribal creatures, we’re designed to be connected to each other. And that makes a difference with everything. The immune system gets stronger, your stress levels go down, your hormones gets better, your sex drive gets better, your sleep gets better. Just from for doing those things throughout your life, you know, throughout your day. So that’s key. So yeah. I think that’s really number one is reducing stress. Just stopping to smell the freaking roses you know.

Melissa: Yeah, particularly for those of us who are out here in beautiful California.

Dr. Lauren Noel: Totally! Head for the beach, and you don’t where you’re going. It’s crazy.

Melissa: Yeah, me too. I hardly ever get there. It’s something in the winter. I’m a winter beach person.  Speaking of massages and stuff, I wanted to just touch on something that that’s actually how we met that what’s called the Myers cocktail. We were both at this conference last year and I found that to be very beneficial particularly if you’re doing any kind of the stressful strengths training or things like that. By stressful, I mean, stressful coz I have osteoarthritis in my shoulder, in my knee and in my foot, in my wrist. So it’s a push but the benefits were so great for me that I just do it anyway. So it’s not painful but what it does is it makes it where I don’t have to take pain medications and I can actually like play golf and do things I couldn’t really do much before. But the Myers cocktail, explain to people what those, what those are and how they can help and how somebody might employ those in their plan for wellness.

Dr. Lauren Noel: Yeah, well it’s a couple things. So most people have digestive issues. It’s just common and it’s not talked to people about a lot coz people don’t like talking about their poop with each other but most people are having issues with pooping. So that absorption is not ideal. We have imbalance in our gut flora, licky gutt inflammation, I mean from the different medications to birth control pills to poor diet, pesticides, toxins you name it. It’s all wreaking havoc in our gut. So that’s working against us in absorbing our nutrients. That’s the first thing. Second thing is our food is not as nutritious as it once was. Minerals are depleted in our food unless we’re growing our own food in mineral rich soil. We’re probably not getting it as nutritious as food as we might think. So because of this 2 factors, and causes of stress nowadays, when you’re stress, your digestive system literally shuts off. So you’re not absorbing the nutrients that your body really does really needs. And that’s something like we get to the root of those issues we’re not just putting abandon on it but in the meantime as we’re healing our gutt, doing IB therapy, it is amazing because it’s a 100% absorbed.

So doing a customized nutritional bag basically like in selling, adding magnesium and calcium, B1, B2, B6, B12, B-complex, B5. There’s zinc, selenium, traced minerals, vitamin C. All these different nutrients in a bag that it goes right into the bloodstream. It sounds a little crazy to some people but basically, like giving you fluids with extra nutrients added. It’s amazing what can for a patient who receives this. For, I mean, like you said for athletes working out all the time. Athletes tend to have the most free radicals in their body. Athletes and cancer patients. I mean, it’s crazy because athletes are using so much of their antioxidants just as a normal process of respiration and metabolism that they’re not, there’s just not much leftover just for detoxing. So athletes that really helps with them. And then any kind of patient with digestive issues like Crohn’s or also osteocolitis, you know, mal-absorption kind of thing. You know it’s amazing for them. And even just says maintenance you know. Like I said with our foods not being as nutritious. The IB therapy is so awesome, plus you just get to kick back and relax and anything that’s a big part of medicine too just sitting and relaxing.

Melissa: Yeah I found it very relaxing and i then I had a super night sleep too. But I think too, I had the glutathione icing on the cake with mine helps to, helps your liver and stuff. I think that for people that maybe recovering their digestive health, or like I said have some kind of workout regimen, they’re starting from a well point. For me, it was really good.

I used those I think twice a month when I was getting and going to help boost my system up a little bit and get some vitamins and minerals back in that were severely lacking. And I saw the results almost immediately I mean within 30 days and then 60 days, I saw my blood work dramatically. And also I discovered in doing my blood work initially and this is something a lot of people might want to pay attention to like you said when you do testing with your patients, is I found I that wasn’t you know absorbing the B’s and the iron and things like that, had a real issue with that. And in doing a few changes then some self-limitation and doing the IVs, that brought me right back up into the green.

So it is really important to be paying attention to that and to use some therapy like that to really help me, helpful, help myself back up to where I should be. And then, I don’t know if it actually, if it’s a – you know, sort of a Lucy bone effect or something but I really still hold by the truth that my eyesight improved. My eyesight improved, and my doctor was saying it was the vitamin D, the boost of the D over a period of time, helped my distance vision improved. Suddenly, I was driving along and I suddenly read signs I could not read before. I’d say what? What happened here? But it stayed and I guess that helped.

Dr. Lauren Noel: Yeah, well there’s, I have specific formula for nuclear degenerations. You know you’re basically eye aging. I have formulas for that, for extra immune support my patients say “What? Wow this is the first winter I didn’t get sick at all when I get sick every winter.”

Melissa: yeah forget the flu shot. Just take one of these vitamin IVs and you’ll be fine.

Dr. Lauren Noel: Oh yeah, we have our shot which we call our lifeguard shot. Every or all of our lifeguard shot are kind of beach scene, by the beach but it’s basically it’s the other name for it is the no flu shot and it has vitamin A, vitamin D, extra B vitamins, and I’m telling you, if you start feeling like you’re coming down with something, take one of those for maybe 1 to 3 days and it is like its one of the best things we have here, it’s awesome, I love that shot.

Melissa: Yeah, hopefully people will walk in together in their local area or if they’re in California, we’re going to give you her information so that they can find you more specifically. Before we run out of time though, I do want to ask you about another topic that I know you’re very interested in and you work with people on it.  That’s the topic of hard health and just how so many people. I was just at a party last weekend, people started talking about fat being, the wrong kind of fat being good. The bad kind of fat being bad. But they were a little bit confused there and they were asking me about I was talking grass fed butter and they were still stuck on margarine. And I can’t believe it. I can’t believe it’s not butter and I was going..

Dr. Lauren Noel: Don’t go back to that party.

Melissa: Well, I was on a mission. I know, and I said don’t use that on my food, I said what are you doing? But there’s still a lot of confusion out there. And you know, I do go to a lot of events were there’s a lot of mindful people and you kind of get to be complacent and laid back. But it’s kind of interesting to start to explain to them a few things but I think you can probably do much better than I can as to really what people should really be focused on in terms of hard health and fat and cholesterol.

Dr. Lauren Noel: Yeah, well the reality is that the data is very flawed when it comes to fat and cholesterol And there’s not research showing that saturated fat contributes to cholesterol.  And this is in area where you can you got to take a step back and look at whole picture a lot more than just zoning in more on cholesterol. Cholesterol is extremely important for the body. Cholesterol is an antioxidant. And it actually helps you to keep you young, it helps you keep your brain sharp, your brain is made of cholesterol. Obviously we’re a bunch of fatheads walking around. And so you need that kind of fat for your body to work properly.  And there’s actually research showing that low cholesterol is a high risk for depression, for suicidal and homicidal behavior. We see it like below you know 125 is when we get some issues like that. I see that with my patients too.

Patients who have grown up very low cholesterol tend to have a lot of mood issues and brain fogs and symptoms, and stuff like that. So similar to hormones, it’s one of those goldilocks, you wanted just right, not too high not too low. So cholesterol is a very complex topic. And with a lot of the work like Chris Kresser and Chris Masterjohn, they have done a lot of looking very closely at the data. And it’s just not true that high fib diet or that saturated fat contributes to cholesterol nor does it cause heart disease. There’s a lot more to the picture. One of the biggest most important things is looking at the word inflammation. Inflammation is really where it’s at.  And that why in Statins tend to actually have some positive results because statins are actually anti-inflammatory. But the problem is with statins, which is the main medication used to lower cholesterol it comes along real side effects. That’s including muscle wasting as well as memory loss. So keep actually forgetting how to get home from the doctor’s office, you know, from the store. They’re forgetting things because again the brain needs that cholesterol. So the reason why Statins worked to an extent is because of the anti-inflammatory effect.  Such we got to take a step back and look back whats causing the inflammation. And that’s from our modern lifestyle. That’s from the sugars, that’s from the stress, that’s from the lack of sleep, that’s from the toxic overload.

You know there’s a lot more to it than just that. Heart disease and cancer these diseases are newer diseases. These aren’t diseases that are, that we’ve dealing with for hundreds and thousands of years. We’ve been eating fat for hundreds and hundreds of years. So you can’t really see a new disease that’s been caused by an old food. You know, our food has change dramatically in the last few decades. And that is the real reason for this whole epidemic of heart disease. It’s not about the fat, it’s about the sugar and it’s about the carbohydrates. The poor carbohydrates and the toxins. And I think that’s really at the root of it. Now with that said there is an extent of bio chemical individuality where there are some people that they do actually create more cholesterol from dietary cholesterol because some of those people they tend to be hyper observers of cholesterol. And there’s also a difference in genetic variations so, there’s certain kinds of genes, can be tested or seen, or maybe for this person they need to actually be a little bit lower in fat than other people. But most people do well on a moderate and some people do well in a very high fiber diet. So it comes down to the individual. But I’d say for the average person fat is not a problem is really about the sugar.

Melissa: Yeah I mean, I’ve noticed a massive change in my brain fog when I changed my diet and also of course, information went from off the scale to weigh down and Im shooting for a perfect score. But I am at 1.5 now and I’m still going down.

Dr. Lauren Noel: Is that for CRP?

Melissa: Yeah

Dr. Lauren Noel: Great.

Melissa: It was at 16.9.

Dr. Lauren Noel: Wow! And what was the main change that you did?

Melissa: Mostly diet, mostly all diet and then, getting the B and the iron absorption straightened out. I think I’ve talked about this a couple of times on a text before.  I did genetic testing and found that I had an issue there with folic acid, I think it is and being able to work with it and not work with it. But using some supplements like methylated, I felt better in that. My blood results changed within 60 days.

Dr. Lauren Noel: Amazing.

Melissa: And it was like I said, I did wellness fix. I’m a big fan of them. They don’t pay me to say that but I started out in 2013 with the initial bloodwork with them and when I saw that dashboard in front of me it was like almost all red. And I was like No!! But it went within 30 to 60 days most everything reversed. It’s really fast and I was all not prepared for that so I was like this will be years to do it and so on and so forth, not to mention blood sugar and things like that which is still babbling on that one to get it actually dive in. But it was amazing to me the turnaround just from the diet and just from doing a few simple things like that and not going to cross fit.

Dr. Lauren Noel: Yeah you’re right.

Melissa: Yeah the opposite. Just walking and doing physical therapy and things like that but then it struck me the importance of inflammation. And now that’s really the thing you should be focused on. How can you get that down to zero or as low as possible. And then as I went forward, even though I know I was doing physical therapy and things like that to work osteoarthritis. I also found things like bone broth and you know things like that, if I felt myself starting to get sick or something and if I took a dose of that not to mention the IV therapy, boom I was within 24 hour and I turn right around, back in sleep, you know, high quality sleep and those things were just restored it to me and in the past they’ve been just nonexistent really. But that’s the power of you know of having all these issues not to mention the arthritis issues that were causing similar information but being able to change those around by diet and lifestyle changes and being able to get rid of some medications too.

Dr. Lauren Noel: Amazing. Isn’t that so cool?

Melissa: But what  really is I think is encouraging and this why I encourage people to take control of their health themselves as I say become the CEO of your own health, you have the power to go into older gears, or old age if you want to call it that. Im not calling that of course. Be really really you know energetic. You know being to do things, play with your brain kids or play with you kid. You know, go paraboarding, go snowboarding like I did last thanksgiving, go sailing, just do all these active things. You know not necessarily like I say to kill yourself during  cross fit or something but just be really active and mobile person. As you get older, instead going the opposite way and opening up the door for really serious diseases which could kill you or severely restrict your activities.

Dr. Lauren Noel: Right, yeah, for sure, so and I love that. You changed so much of you know this whole disease process for changing your diet and just really getting down to the basics. And I think you know adding good fats on top of that is probably a big part of that healing. Anyway, I told my top patients if you want to have a low sex drive, or if you want to have bad dry bad skin, if you want to have brain fog, have a low fat diet. That will do it for you.

Melissa: Yeah, one of the most amazing things that I found too was, and I didn’t really think too much about it but I made some notes on it as I was going along was I never suffered like from like eczema or anything like that in my whole life. But right at the point where I have decided to make these changes, I had these two little stubborn patches. One on my arm and one on my back. And I just could not get rid of them. I tried all these creams and all these things. I asked my conventional medical doctor at that time and he said “Oh yes cos she’s a scary thing it will be fine.” It didn’t worked , nothing worked Of course now I’m real back in horror think that I did that but as I changed the diet again in 60 days those patches got smaller and smaller and pretty soon they just disappeared.

Dr. Lauren Noel: Isn’t that cool? No medicine.

Melissa: No steward, they mean it, they just disappeared and never came back and I was like wow isn’t that weird? How’s that possible? When all these were sort of you know during the healing process during the inflammation going down and things bouncing out. Now I have to say that I did do some things like I stopped consuming dairy and I also, I was pretty much moving free before I don’t really have an allergy within soy. I have a little sensitivity to it but nothing off the charts. But I had pretty much given up soybeans as well so when I went with no soy, with no dairy and things like that, it just got better and better for me. I found that I really didnt miss them.

Dr. Lauren Noel: Yeah you were reducing inflammation in your gut. And you were probably able to absorb more nutrients coz you got all those inflammatory foods out of your diet.

Melissa: Right

Dr. Lauren Noel: You know.

Melissa: Right. So its possible people and you really have to really assess how really want to live your life going forward. You know where you would want to be. You know get less and less as active or stay pretty much as active as you are and you can pick up some new and fun sports. Alright, Dr. Laura, were almost out of time here but I want to be sure people can find you. You’ve got your podcast, you got your website, and you got your practice which is in southern California and so tell people where they can get in touch with you or find you online so they can listen to more of your great information.

Dr. Lauren Noel: Sure. First thing if you guys are listening and if you would like to hear a little bit more about what I do in my daily routine, to have balance of my life, to actually have routine, keep up with my high performing kind of life. And also keep respecting my body, ensure that I’m taking care of myself, go on over to my website, I have, I wrote a short e-book called “Wired but Tired.” It’s all about how to restructure your life to where it actually works for you, for you to have energy all day, you’re not just dragging anymore so the website is drlaurennoel.com, you can sign up thee, its free, just going to go right to you happy to share that with you. Also in that e-book is a little chart at the back of the e-book about what I do in my daily routine.

I’m all about charts, I love little gold stars thru when I mess up my things I actually do that at age 34 I do it. So but it works for me it’s the whole you know humans like to be rewarded, we like little prices so I show what I used and there’s a blank one freebies at home as well. So that’s fine, so if you’re interested, in becoming a patient, the clinic website is shinnenaturalmedicine.com and if you want to listen to my podcast, my podcast is called Dr. Lo Radio.  You can find it in the iTunes library the podcast directory in iTunes. And I do a show about twice a month right now. I was doing weekly but with my clinic practice I decided to reduce how often so that I can keep some balance in my life. But we have I think a 150 or so shows recorded, all about various health topics from detoxing to fat loss to child care to elderly to even natural medicine for dogs and cats, we do all kinds of stuffs. You can see all those different shows on there. So yeah, all kinds of fun stuff. but yeah thank you so much for this I really appreciate the opportunity to come on and love what you were doing. I know you’re affecting many, many lives. I highly support what you’re doing. Keep it up!

Melissa: Well, you too. And I look forward to see you again. It’s coming up pretty soon. Are you going to be at this bulletproof Pyro Hacking conference this year?

Dr. Lauren Noel: In fact, yeah, we will be there. Firing it up.

Melissa: It’s a really fun conference. Yeah, I’ll put in a link on the show notes for people who don’t know what we’re talking about here. I’ve mentioned a couple of times in the podcast but it’s really cool, it’s going to be in Pasadena, I think again and it’s a really fun three days and for people who are interested in, basically performing at their utmost put on my friend Dave Aspre, who’s over the top pile hacking guy  and high performance extraordinaire person. But yeah well put links on the show notes of all links you’ve mentioned on your podcast and websites and stuff.. We’ll look forward to seeing you over there.

Dr. Lauren Noel: Yeah sounds good, come get our IVs. Anyone listed will be doing an IV treatment and i know Dave, he loves our IVs more than anyone. So well be run some fun, vitamin drips and getting our geek on and get our bio hacking on.

Melissa: Okay see you later.

Dr. Lauren Noel: All right thanks.



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