Episode #92 Dr. Tami Meraglia Treating Osteoporosis With An Effective New Non Invasive Method: Look Good Inside And Outside

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My guest this week  is Dr. Tami Meraglia. A leading practitioner in the fields of cosmetic and integrative naturopathic medicine, Dr. Tami works with patients and through online services to change how we approach our health and to help us focus on the right areas of wellness.

We discuss Dr. Tami’s own background as a classical ballet dancer and her route into medicine, and discover more about the personal health journey she has taken. We also look in depth at some common health issues, such as osteoporosis and insomnia, and discuss overcoming stress for better health.

By becoming the “CEO of your own health” and taking control of the chemical balances in your body, you can find ways to eat yourself well. Dr. Tami tells us how important the role of hormones is in our wellness quests as well – particularly progesterone and testosterone, which can dramatically affect our metabolism. Levels of testosterone can be affected by sugar, studies suggest. If you balance your hormone levels, you’ll be well on your way to managing your health and feeling better.

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FULL EPISODE TRANSCRIPT

MELISSA: Welcome, Dr. Tami. Thanks so much for being on the program today.

DR. TAMI: Oh, I’m so excited.

MELISSA: Yeah, I’m excited to have you on. I think some of the listeners may be pretty interested to find out that you had a career before you went into medicine and that may have had some bearing on how you wound up double certified in integrative medicine and cosmetic medicine as well.

DR. TAMI: You know, I think it does but not for the reason most people would assume. I think people assume that my first career had something to do with medicine and led me there. It didn’t. I danced professionally. I was a soloist in a ballet company. But what it had a lot for me to do with my medical training is when I went to medical school, I was older and I didn’t believe everything they said.

MELISSA: Oh, what? I’m amazed you graduated then, if that’s the case.

DR. TAMI: I know. So I like to say I didn’t swallow all the Kool Aid, just a lot of it, because you don’t have any choice. But it shaped why I’m not a traditional medical doctor. I’m an MD and you cannot undo those 13 years of training and how it makes your brain think very cynically and very evident space but I went on to find deeper answers to the “why” because I was so frustrated which is treating symptoms and not ever getting to causes. And so that’s what led me to my board certification in integrative naturopathic medicine. Now, probably the aesthetic medicine did lead from dancing in a ballet company now just that symmetry and beauty and art because aesthetic cosmetic medicine is part-art/part-science. But marrying the two, marrying cosmetic and integrative naturopathic medicine is really exciting. There’s not too many of us out there on how you can create your body from the outside in word by using that really change how you look without harming your insides and then how you affect your looks by changing your health.

MELISSA: Yes. Well, I think that’s something that everyone’s really focusing on, I’m glad to say, this point in time and hopefully the Internet and podcast and things like that have helped a lot of people find answers because when I bump into people and I’m sure in your practice, it’s very rewarding to see how people improve. And for me, it’s shocking how quickly you can turn things around by just doing some simple changes in the kind of food you’re eating and the kind of food you’re not eating and things like that and how you can bounce back from huge inflammation and huge issues like over-the-top blood pressure and bad things happening to your liver and everything else, by making a few simple changes. However, you need to find a practitioner such as yourself.

DR. TAMI: Yes, and that’s the hard part.

MELISSA: That is the hard part. Hopefully though it’s becoming easier because of, as I say, podcasts and the Internet being—getting a wider exposure these days.

DR. TAMI: Yeah. And you know, we created a solution to try and help as well. We have a virtual medical clinic where we see patients via Skype from all over the US.

MELISSA: Yes, I think that’s one of the best things ever because that’s actually, the doctor, I call my performance doctor, Dr. Carpenter is actually up in Northern California. I’m down in Southern California. And we’ve been meeting on the Skype and on the phone for three years now. And it’s been enormously helpful because I’m not able to actually go to his clinic but I’m able to get all his expertise and help and stuff and we use e-mail and stuff to communicate back and forth with more detailed writings and things like that but that makes it possible for people to reach out to you. Now, do they have to be in your state or can they be anywhere?

DR. TAMI: They can be anywhere, virtual medicine is a fast-growing part of medicine and I luckily have the credentials to be able to do that, so it’s a wonderful opportunity. We are just about to launch a brand-new introductory opportunity for people to have a $99 half-hour appointment one-on-one with me or one of my providers. And we utilize people’s health insurance to get their blood work so they don’t have to worry about all the extras that seem to come up.

MELISSA: Right. And that’s one of the keys is I’ve talked about it on the show before is I used WellnessFX too, and again, they’re not a sponsor and they don’t pay me to say it, but I use them when I first got started back in 2013 and it was enormously helpful to me as the person under the stress because I could see with the dashboard they gave so you could log in online and see your numbers. It just sort of made me feel like I was in charge of moving those numbers and those charts around and making them go into the green from the red.

DR. TAMI: Excellent. And there’s nothing like being the CEO of your own health. That’s what we want to be.

MELISSA: That’s right. Now, I want to ask you about a specific thing that I’ve heard you speak about before. But I know a lot of people are concerned about osteoporosis and the potential for it. But I’ve heard you talk about using what’s called “whole body vibration.” And a lot of folks out there may not be familiar with it. I had a chance to try it out. Our mutual friend Dave Asprey’s Biohacking Conference last year, and—

DR. TAMI: Which I’m speaking at this year.

MELISSA: Yes. We’re definitely going to—listeners, hang on because when we get near the end here, we’re going to give all your links and your website and all that stuff so people can find you. And if you can, if you’re in California or near California, I encourage people to go to it because there’s a huge array of expert speakers there, plus, there’s fun stuff to do.

DR. TAMI: Yeah, it’s kind of like a Star Trek event.

MELISSA: It is. There’s all kinds of, the Flow Genome project is there-

DR. TAMI: Cutting-edge.

MELISSA: Yeah. And there’s all kinds of treatments and stuff. And one of the things they had next to the oxygen bar, and so I did the double thing, oxygen and the whole body vibration, was the—Dave has talked about it quite a bit but I haven’t had the chance to actually do it. And at that time, I didn’t know he had talked about it was great for the lymphatic system and all this stuff, but how are you or how did you come about to use this for osteoporosis or prevention of osteoporosis?

DR. TAMI: Well, when I get all my female patients to get a bone density exam, as soon as they can get their insurance to pay for it, because I want to get a baseline number and then I want to see where they’re going and many patients are told they’re fine until they have full osteoporosis. I like to look at the actual numbers and over time, if your second test is worse than your first test, then we start treatment. We start a nutritional supplemental and exercise and using the full-body vibration to reverse that because we’re afraid of breast cancer and ovarian cancer and we should be more afraid of heart disease, but very few of us realize how devastating osteoporosis is. 50% of women who have a break in their hip never regain their quality of life. It’s just terrifying. And people think, “Oh, well, I fell and so I’m fine. I didn’t break my hip.” It’s not like that. You actually fall because your hip spontaneously broke. So it’s just because you fell once doesn’t mean you’re safe. You need the data. So my patients that have thinning bones which is called “osteopenia” or full-out osteoporosis, we want to literally bang your bones. That’s the most powerful way and this is well-studied, well-documented. The Russians have used this to build back the bone of their astronauts.

MELISSA: Yeah, I’ve heard you say this and I heard actually someplace else. I think maybe one of the podcast that talks about, you know, NASA and the SpaceX and all these things, and I was like, “Well, that’s been quite a long time ago.” I mean, this is years of research, correct?

DR. TAMI: Oh yeah. And research and proof, because they actually did build the bone back,

MELISSA: Right, right.

DR. TAMI: So anecdotal and sort of academic.

MELISSA: Mm-hmm.

DR. TAMI: And you have to be careful. It’s based on the fact that stress builds bones. That’s why when you have a broken ankle or a leg or a foot, they put you in a walking cast. You actually have to stress that bone that stresses the cells called “osteoblasts.” Osteoblasts build bone and so we want to stress the bones. And so it is based on the fact that if you’re having these microvibrations, it’s going to stress the bone and your bones’ response will be to build more collagen in the form of bone. The problem is that many of the units out there do vibration in a back-and-forth, right-to-left kind of shaking thing. And that starts to loosen up the SI joints, you know that part of your lower back, sacroiliac joint, kind of right above your bone and right on this by your back. You can press on it and it’s tender. That’s because that’s where your pelvis is joining and if you go back and forth in this fashion, it can really make that very inflamed and very painful over time. So that’s why I’m a fan of Dave’s as well, the bullet-proof, it’s called the Fitvibe, because it’s one of the ones that I know go straight up and down.

MELISSA: Yeah, and it’s interesting that I thought it was going to be very jarring, like riding over a bumpy road or washboard kind of washed out road. And it was really not. In fact, when you bend your knees and you can balance on one foot and balance on the other foot, it was really just kind of a hum. It was not at all what I thought. I thought it was going to be shaken and rocking and rolling there on that thing and it was really kind of not a major upset to the body, to my body anyway.

DR. TAMI: No, it’s not. It’s really gentle and very powerful and I love it because, yes, we should do our planks and our squats and light pushes and Pilates and jump rope and all that kind of stuff, but if you don’t do that every day, then you’re not stressing your bones every day. And if you have full-on osteoporosis, this is an emergency. So you should be doing something every day and I love the Fitvibe because you literally can stand at your desk and do your work and stand on it. You can watch a show on TV. You can do anything you want because it’s passive so there’s no excuse.

MELISSA: Now, how long do you recommend? Does it depend on the individual patient’s situation or…?

DR. TAMI: Yeah.

MELISSA: If it’s someone who doesn’t have osteoporosis but has the osteopenia, is there a time frame that you like for that kind of patient or is it all individual?

DR. TAMI: Well, here’s where you’re going to learn a little bit about me. I’m a realist. I know sort of statistically what it should “be.” And then I know what’s doable in a busy life because we’re all busy. You know, I should have started my day with a green juice and meditation and a walk, but what did I do? I got my kids’ lunches ready for school.

MELISSA: Right.

DR. TAMI: And both are not happening. So I say, I think that people think, “Oh well, I don’t have time to do 20 minutes of the Fitvibe,” so they don’t do it at all. What I think is it’s important to realize the power of five minutes. And even if you did it five minutes once or five minutes twice a day, every single thing that you do is going to have a cumulative effect. So I’m trying to shy away from telling people what the gold standard is and say, “Just start.”

MELISSA: Well, I agree with you. I agree with you because I think it’s easy to become overwhelmed and that’s—you know, I felt that myself because I try to do, of course, everything at once, and practically ran myself into the ground. And in my first—luckily, I have so many injuries, but my first inclination was to jump into Crossfit which would have totally killed me and broken me even more. But I couldn’t because I had so many injuries so I was forced to go slowly with exercise and starting with physical therapy and things like that to get my injuries improved enough to really start like doing weights and things like that. So I think I like that approach because if you can do it for five minutes and then maybe in a month you can do it for 10 minutes a day, it builds yourself up. But it’s much better to do something rather than nothing.

DR. TAMI: Yeah, exactly. It’s like all I had a cookie at lunch and so now, the whole day has gone. No, no, no.

MELISSA: Right, the all-or-nothing odds approach. Well, that’s very interesting. And again, we’re going to have links in the show notes so that people can find out more about your clinic and stuff. Because as I say, I haven’t heard except from you and a little bit around the Internet of using this and I think it’s one of the things I had intimate experience with because I was misdiagnosed with severe osteoporosis which turned out to be some errors in the testing.

DR. TAMI: Oh no.

MELISSA: But my doctor, I went for a major depression right there because they told me I was going to have to start with immediate Fosamax injections and to move to—I was living in New England at the time—to move to a place with no snow because I couldn’t ever fall, never ride a bike or anything. I just bought a motor scooter so I was very depressed.

DR. TAMI: Yes, yes.

MELISSA: It was really devastating because I just—I’ve always been fit and active most of my life and to get that diagnosis, I was like, it just can’t be happening. There’s got to be a way to recover from it. And it was like, “Nope, you’re done for and this is it for you and you can’t do this.” And luckily, as things evolved, it came to find out that the tests were malfunctioning a couple of times they were wrong, and actually I didn’t. But I know what it’s like to hear that so I don’t want to—I want to stay away from that as long as I can and I know people out there should try to seek out something like this if they’re on the edge or if they have osteoporosis because again, it’s such a small step to take to get such a big result, in my opinion.

DR. TAMI: Yeah.

MELISSA: And like you say, people get in this mindset that it’s not going to be that big a deal if they break something, but it is a big deal. And like you said, the statistics put you on a slide for something on a downhill slide there for not ever recovering from something like that and if you can do at least something small, it’s going to help yourself. It’s definitely worthwhile.

DR. TAMI: And you know, it’s go no side effects, no negative side effects.

MELISSA: That’s the other thing. When I started to read about Fosamax and some other products I won’t mention, I don’t want to get sued, but I just wasn’t going to do it and I wasn’t anywhere near as conscious about my health as I am now, like five years down the road. But I just said the whole thing was horrifying. I’ve read about all the dental issues and I’ve had a number of dental issues over my life. I don’t have the best teeth. And I just said, “This whole thing is just awful and I’ve got to find something else.” And luckily for me, the diagnosis was incorrect. But I know what the panic can be like when you’re looking at those conventional kinds of treatments. So I would have, I think, flown from the East Coast to your clinic once a week or somehow gotten Dave to give me one of those…

DR. TAMI: Well, you can buy it. I have listed on my favorites on my website, www.doctortami.com and you can buy it. I think that it’s just one of those things that people even say it helps with pain. I don’t know about those things. I really just stick with the osteopenia, osteoporosis focus of it, but yeah, there’s a lot of—people will love using it.

MELISSA: Yeah. So again, we’ll have the links and stuff and Dave’s machine, I have to say, pretty cool and definitely if it’s in your price range or get a payment plan, folks, if you have some of these issues we talked about because it’s going to be one of the better things, I would say, you could do. But enough on that, let’s move on to something else which is also your specialty, which is finding out one of the most common hormone issues that your patients and women in general really sort of ignore and don’t address and what the results of that can be.

DR. TAMI: Yeah, this is exciting because that’s why I wrote my book and people say, “Oh why did you write another hormone book?” And I said, “Because I have seen in my practice that there’s one hormone that nobody is talking about for women and it’s such an important hormone, and it has an outsized role in our health and the way we look and feel and function, and that’s testosterone.” And so my book, “The Hormone Secret” goes over all of the hormones, but its specific focus on how to use nutrition supplements and lifestyle to boost your own body’s production of testosterone so you don’t have any side effects from taking testosterone if you don’t need or want to.

MELISSA: Yeah, I think that’s a question which comes up a lot and people are very fearful of hormone replacement therapy because of the old days with the synthetic treatments that sort of backfired on people and cause a lot of issues, and there was a big cancer scare and stuff like that. But how do you recommend they do it naturally?

DR. TAMI: Well, each hormone has evidence based nutrition, specific supplements that have shown to increase the production of that hormone and then some lifestyle things. So I have this great, free quiz and then I have a free handbook on my website where people who get a few tips for free on each of those three things. But I want to share some exciting ones because it will blow your mind how easy it is to reboot your biology. For example, one of the ways that you can increase the production of testosterone, now this is a Harvard study. It’s a very well done study. This isn’t somebody just going, “Oh yeah, I think it feels better.” This was actually a really good test and what they found is that if you stood for two minutes, like Wonder Woman or Superman, your blood level of testosterone would go up 20% to 30%.

MELISSA: Oh my god.

DR. TAMI: I know.

MELISSA: And this is some sort of ancient throwback to our cave people day when you’ve stood up to make yourself bigger and more threatening to enemies or something?

DR. TAMI: I don’t know. I don’t know but it just makes you wonder about all those races, bake-it-‘til-you-make-it, you know those things that maybe there’s something to it.

MELISSA: Yeah, it reminds me like of chimps or animals or something that make themselves stand up or bears to stand up even to look strong against whatever’s coming toward them.

DR. TAMI: It’s interesting that it also is done in the bird population during mating.

MELISSA: Like the peacocking and so on? Wow, that’s interesting. Very interesting. Who would have thought it?

DR. TAMI: Who would have thunk it? Yeah.

MELISSA: Now, sometimes I know women think it’s really odd to focus on testosterone because they’re thinking, well, that’s for men. That’s really what men need to replace not so much us. How have you found that or how do you explain that to how it helps everything function in the body?

DR. TAMI: Well, we do not need even a fraction of what men need and it is true, but we have to think of our hormones as a symphony and if you have one of them that is completely gone, the symphony is not nearly as wonderful. And the cleanser is not going to rock your life. So you have to look at all of them together and what we’re finding is that testosterone is one of those hormones that’s produced in the adrenal glands after the age of about 40. And due to our 24/7 lifestyle, it’s not getting produced because adrenal glands are having to deal with what stresses you instead of dealing with what blesses you. But years ago, we used to use testosterone for treating depression. There’s fantastic clinical trials showing that testosterone is one of the best treatments for osteoporosis. In fact, it went head to head in clinical trials with Fosamax and did just as well, no side effects.

MELISSA: Oh, that’s great news.

DR. TAMI: How many people hear about that though? It’s so frightening.

MELISSA: Yeah, it’s great news because again, as I mentioned, if people with the end of some of the treatments that conventional medicine is—or they’re now changing a little bit. But this is very, very scary, some of those things, if you look into what’s behind them, you’re basically drinking laundry detergent. And I mean, it’s not something you want to be doing. It’s not good.

DR. TAMI: Yeah.

MELISSA: This is so much better.

DR. TAMI: And there’s the alternative.

MELISSA: Yeah, and I think it’s interesting that you mentioned the depression angle because I’ve heard quite a lot lately about how the returning vets and also the NFL players and things like that, that they’re looking very close at these studies and how when they’ve had head trauma and head injury or traumatic injury, that the balancing out of testosterone for them, we’re talking about men now, has helped depression and turned around their whole physical and mental health, which is just stunning because you hear of these awful cases of where they’re taking 35 medications to keep themselves organized and functioning. And it makes you want to cry.

DR. TAMI: Well, there’s testosterone receptors in the brain.

MELISSA: Yeah, and it’s interesting because I talk to just a few weeks ago, George Bryant, who’s a paleo author and he also happens to be a veteran and he talks about how food and things he’s done has taken him way off medications. He’s had something like 30 concussions and also suffers from PTSD and how he’s really naturally been able to overcome quite a lot of his issues and become quite the celebrity and New York Times Bestseller and bon vivant around town, I should say.

DR. TAMI: Well, it’s true. We kind of take for granted that we’re doing and not doing is just kept in this very tight homeostasis but it’s not as tight as you think. Sugar, the consumption of sugar, actually will drop your testosterone 30% within two hours. It’s pretty significant. So if you’re going out on a date and you’re having dessert there might not be sweetness later in the night.

MELISSA: That’s good too, yeah. So what would you say is the number two hormone that’s missed that people overlook, for women, anyway?

DR. TAMI: Progesterone. I think that when women start having sleep troubles or not feeling themselves as they enter perimenopause, they go to their doctors and their doctors run a bunch of tests and then they tell them that they’re fine. And of course, I think fine is a four-letter word, and it just means you’re not sick. And they are either given a prescription for an anti-depressant, a sleeping pill or both and really what it most often is, is progesterone deficiency. And progesterone leaves us first and it leaves us very quickly. And it’s our peaceful hormone. It’s the valium that’s bathes the female mind. And it’s the one that helps you sleep all the way through the night. Women sometimes say, “Why on earth am I waking up between 2 and 4 in the morning with my mind wide awake?” Well, that’s the progesterone deficiency or when you’re partner puts their shirt on the floor and it used to irritate you and now you want to choke them. That’s progesterone deficiency. It’s just that ability to cope is with progesterone and there’s a crazy, crazy connection between stress. You think that your progesterone receptors would get more sensitive at times of stress, but unfortunately cortisol, the stress hormone, actually blocks the progesterone receptors, so it goes from bad to worse.

MELISSA: Oh man. Yeah, I would say it. Now, do you prescribe a natural herbs or do you…

DR. TAMI: Yeah, progesterone is actually available over the counter. It’s a topical cream and you can get it over the counter and you use it at night because it helps you. And I tell you, if there is a fire in the middle of the night, I’d grab my children and my progesterone. My husband can run for himself.

MELISSA: That’s pretty cool, yeah. So that’s number two. Is there a third one that women overlook?

DR. TAMI: I think that it’s the cortisol and stress hormones. You know, that’s what making us fat, fatigued and foggy. It’s really affecting you more than you think. And we are not doing anything to erase the effects and it is the fastest way, stress and sugar are the fastest way to age. It’s the fastest way to age your skin. It’s the fastest way to age at the cellular level, your brain function, your energy level, so we really need to clean up our cells from a day of stress. Because face it, we’re not going to change our stress. How many people have been told, “Oh, I need to manage my stress or I need to reduce my stress.” Yeah, right? The toddlers are not going to get their lunch. Your project is still due. Your boss is still a jerk. It is what it is. So I always thought that was crazy.

MELISSA: Yeah, it’s sometimes very trite advice to give to people because they, as you say, the things aren’t going to change that put stress on you. It’s how you deal with it and how you approach it that makes the difference. And…

DR. TAMI: Yeah, as I like to say, “Get a boiling pot of water and that’s your stress. Put an egg in the potato in it, one of them gets hard and one of them gets soft.”

MELISSA: That’s a good visual for sure. And so what’s your keys for stress management for overworked everybody?

DR. TAMI: Well, I don’t know if I can help anybody with managing their stress but what I want to do is I want to encourage everybody to erase it. So I think of stress as food on our teeth and if you left food on your teeth after the day it will cause all kinds of trouble, the disease, decay, you know, gum disease, all kinds of awfulness. So what do you do? Well, you brush, you floss, you go to the dentist with professional cleaning. You clean it up. You don’t stop eating. So you erase it and that’s like stress. You can’t stop the stress. You can’t stop eating, but you can clean your cells, “C-E-L-L-S,” by doing meditation and breathing exercises and turning on the relaxation response. So many of us think that we are relaxing when we’re not doing something, so you don’t have to completely get home and you relax by sitting in front of your iPad or your computer or a book or whatever. That’s not relaxation. That’s just merely the lack of more stress. You actually have to do something to turn on the relaxation response and then an enormous fantastic, awe-inspiring cascade of physiological chemical reactions occur and the parasympathetic nervous system, the rejuvenate, rest, digest system, turns on and a whole bunch of new chemicals and cells are released and all the cleaning and fixing occurs.

MELISSA: Cool.

DR. TAMI: They have to do something.

MELISSA: Right, it sounds like my—what I talked about before on the show is my relaxation hour. Instead of a cocktail hour where I have some nice tea and things like that at the end of the day and sort of wind down and that’s when I do my sort of five-minute head space meditation and things like that. And I find that worrying about the stress of what’s happened during the day sort of dissipates and I’m like, “Yeah, well, things will work out tomorrow.”

DR. TAMI: Or they won’t—

MELISSA: Or they will, but I’m not worrying about it tonight-

DR. TAMI: Yeah.

MELISSA: –and I think the opposite is what a lot of people do is they get home and have like a five glasses of wine or two or whatever and sit in front of the TV and consume some sugar and some more sugar and then wonder why things are going horribly or like you say, why you’re not able to deal with things that are just going to continue on in just part of life. You have a flat tire in the morning or the kids spill the juice all over the new carpet, or just name it. And if you’ve done a little bit of stress erasure, as you say, you’re like, “Oh yeah, well, the carpet needed cleaning anyway.” “The dog will clean it up,” or something like that.

DR. TAMI: And more importantly is the lack of accumulation. And so, you’re not building up to the point of where it’s going to tip over to as disease because stress equals inflammation and of all the diseases and conditions that steal our vitality and our longevity have inflammation as part of them.

MELISSA: Very true. True. All right, well, I want to get on one last topic here because I know we’re coming up on the end of our time, but it’s about infrared saunas and how they might help people, because I’ve just started doing some to help myself in general. And I found them to fit right in with my late afternoon relaxation hour because after I come up, I’m feeling pretty chill.

DR. TAMI: Oh yeah. That was we renovated our home, my parents are elderly and we were able to sort of combine our homes and build them a space, an apartment for them so that we could have them live with us. And one of the things that I said I wanted with my—everybody has their stuff, the kids have their stuff, my husband has a man cave. And I was like, I want an infrared sauna. That’s all I want is just an infrared sauna. That’s all I need. And so, I use it and it is amazing. The health benefits, there’s not a lot of double-blind placebo controlled clinical trials, but we have known for just generations that sweating is great for you and the infrared has been shown to have more detoxification.

MELISSA: Yeah, and it seems like from things that people are talking about that are using them like athletes and things like that, that it helps to sort of revitalize the cells somehow. I’ve been following quite a lot of the therapies they’re doing now for injured joints and things like that because I have osteoarthritis in several areas: my shoulder, my wrist and my foot. And I’m following quite of a lot what’s going on with the plasma-rich therapies as well as other things. But I’m seeing some things written where they’re using them with athletes like Tour de France people and people like that, that it’s giving themselves more energy when they do blood work and stuff. They’re seeing a resurgence in the internal cell energy.

DR. TAMI: The ATP.

MELISSA: Yeah.

DR. TAMI: There’s also the red part of it, the infrared, the red light is actually used in cosmetic medicine, the red LED, to stimulate collagen. So we use it in my cosmetic medispa to stimulate collagen production and use it as a cosmetic treatment.

MELISSA: So is that just shining light? When you’re using it for cosmetic treatment, is that like shining a red light on your skin?

DR. TAMI: Yeah, it’s a specific red LED that’s in a handheld thing and we actually do it as a treatment that is combined with other things for the sole purpose of boosting your collagen production.

MELISSA: Yeah, that’s great.

DR. TAMI: So yeah, it’s got lots of little things that benefit when using the infrared sauna.

MELISSA: The spa I go to has the light therapy as well and it has the red that you can, it’s on when you’re in there doing your thing or you can adjust other lights as well, but I found it to be really good for, you know, it’s very relaxing after you’ve done for about 30 minutes or so but also recovery from I do specific exercises obviously for the arthritis issues and it seems that the recovery within 24 hours to feel great again. And so, it’s not eve like you’ve had a stressful work out or something which has been pretty strenuous for you. You feel like you’re ready to hit it again the next day. And so, I’ve noticed that there’s been quite a difference in my training anyway. And so for me—but you just feel so mellow and chill when you come out.

DR. TAMI: Mm-hmm. Some people even have their blood pressure go down.

MELISSA: Yes, I’ve heard that. Actually, I’ve bumped into quite a few people since I started doing it who we started talking about different things we’re doing and they’ve said they’ve noticed that quite a bit. They didn’t do it specifically for blood pressure but they mentioned that their blood pressure has gone down. I guess that would be because the blood flow has improved or the cells are moving things around better.

DR. TAMI: Yeah, we’re not sure whether it’s removal of the toxins or whether the heat is actually making the vessels more pliable. We’re not sure.

MELISSA: Whatever it is, I recommend it, folks.

DR. TAMI: Yeah, it’s been around for a long time. That’s the other part I love about it. This is not something new. The Finns have been doing this for generations.

MELISSA: Right, right. And a whole another topic for another day which I’ve also experimented with and found good results is the cold therapy using that on an ongoing basis over time has definitely improved my joint issues and so the combo of the two, not one right after the other but in some sort of a plan I think is a great inexpensive way for people to not use drugs to treat some of these issues and I’ve certainly had great results with my shoulder as I have a bone-on-bone injury there. And it’s—I have no pain. I don’t need to take pain medications-

DR. TAMI: Wow.

MELISSA: I don’t need to take anything. I just do a little bit of icing after I do my workouts and stuff for strength training and I do some cryotherapy for it and the infrared sauna is doing pretty well. Plus, the range of motion. That’s the beautiful thing, as the orthopedic surgeon said, “Well, you basically need a joint replacement there but you need a few because you’ll wear it out very quickly.” And instead, I’ve taken other measures and found that I have basically about 95% range of motion and no pain so I can’t complain. I can’t complain.

DR. TAMI: Wow. That’s amazing.

MELISSA: Now, if I can just get the whole body vibration plate, my mini-clinic will be awesome.

DR. TAMI: There you go.

MELISSA: –be complete, my home clinic. Right. All right, well, we’re out of time, Dr. Tami. But it’s been great talking to you. Please tell people about your book and where they can find it and about your website and where they can find you online.

DR. TAMI: So my book is a national bestseller now, “The Hormone Secret,” and it’s found at most bookstores but we also—you can get it at Amazon and there’s a link on our website, www.doctortami.com – “T-A-M-I”.com, that’s where you can also find some information. I use my Facebook. AskDoctorTami/Facebook, just to try and bless people’s lives. There’s recipes, there’s information about do-it-yourself home skin care stuff. That’s another way to find me and I have a free hormone quiz and a free hormone handbook that you can take on www.doctortami.com as well. Just so you can try and see if some of the things you’re experiencing might be due to your hormones.

MELISSA: Great. Great. Well, it’s been great having you on and hopefully you’ll come back on the show.

DR. TAMI: I’d love to.

MELISSA: When you get a break in your schedule, because there’s a whole bunch of questions we didn’t get to that I’m sure people would love to hear about, and also remind them that they can reach out to you for consultation and stuff by checking out your website and getting in touch with you there.

DR. TAMI: Thank you so much.

MELISSA: Right, see you later.

DR. TAMI: Take care.

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